Comments for A Race Divided http://hebridesweb.wordpress.com An e-book presentation Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:00:59 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on The ‘Adam Lodge’ by Brian Boggs http://hebridesweb.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/the-adam-lodge-enquiry/#comment-180 Brian Boggs Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:00:59 +0000 http://hebridesweb.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/the-adam-lodge-enquiry/#comment-180 If you just want a general view on the Boggs of Northern Ireland, then the Americans can give you it. I take just one piece of information from a book on the Boggs name written in America. <em>Children of James Boggs of Londonderry</em> James Boggs was one of the Scots who settled in the North of Ireland about 1603 to 1625. The name Boggs is common around Edinburgh, Falkirk and Glasgow. James name appears in the 1630 list of names of men and arms of the Cytty and Libertyes of Londonderry, a muster roll of the provinces of Ulster. In the outbreak of the native Irish rebellion in October 1641 James served with the Scotch troops against the Irish helping the British retain the castles of Derry, Enniskillen, Belfast, Carrickfergus and Coleraine. Later he served with Cromwells soldiers against the forces of Charles the First, his name appearing in the roll of the company of Captain Henry Osborne, mustered at Londonderry August 18, 1643. William b 1625 and died 1685 at Shantallow, Londonderry. The hearth money roll of Londonderry 1663, indicates that William was then living on "the quarters of land below Pennybourn Mill" within the Liberties of Londonderry. How much do you want? I have a bookful written in America but alas nothing about John Boggs who emigrated to New South Wales If you just want a general view on the Boggs of Northern Ireland, then the Americans can give you it. I take just one piece of information from a book on the Boggs name written in America.

Children of James Boggs of Londonderry

James Boggs was one of the Scots who settled in the North of Ireland about 1603 to 1625. The name Boggs is common around Edinburgh, Falkirk and Glasgow. James name appears in the 1630 list of names of men and arms of the Cytty and Libertyes of Londonderry, a muster roll of the provinces of Ulster. In the outbreak of the native Irish rebellion in October 1641 James served with the Scotch troops against the Irish helping the British retain the castles of Derry, Enniskillen, Belfast, Carrickfergus and Coleraine. Later he served with Cromwells soldiers against the forces of Charles the First, his name appearing in the roll of the company of Captain Henry Osborne, mustered at Londonderry August 18, 1643. William b 1625 and died 1685 at Shantallow, Londonderry. The hearth money roll of Londonderry 1663, indicates that William was then living on “the quarters of land below Pennybourn Mill” within the Liberties of Londonderry.

How much do you want? I have a bookful written in America but alas nothing about John Boggs who emigrated to New South Wales

]]> Comment on The ‘Adam Lodge’ by Michael Boggs http://hebridesweb.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/the-adam-lodge-enquiry/#comment-179 Michael Boggs Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:27:15 +0000 http://hebridesweb.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/the-adam-lodge-enquiry/#comment-179 Brian, Do you have any information on the Boggs family prior to 1800 in Ireland. Brian, Do you have any information on the Boggs family prior to 1800 in Ireland.

]]> Comment on Ambrose and the Major by Peter Gallagher http://hebridesweb.wordpress.com/2007/10/26/ambrose-and-the-major/#comment-178 Peter Gallagher Thu, 08 Oct 2009 01:46:23 +0000 http://hebridesweb.wordpress.com/2007/10/26/ambrose-and-the-major/#comment-178 Pam and I have completed our part of the story of Ambrose and Mary Murril. It is some 30 pages in length. What is your connection with Ambrose and company? Perhaps we could swap information without compromising the book which we understand is to be handed in draft form to the publisher in the next few months? Pam and I have completed our part of the story of Ambrose and Mary Murril. It is some 30 pages in length.

What is your connection with Ambrose and company? Perhaps we could swap information without compromising the book which we understand is to be handed in draft form to the publisher in the next few months?

]]> Comment on The ‘Adam Lodge’ by Brian Boggs http://hebridesweb.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/the-adam-lodge-enquiry/#comment-177 Brian Boggs Wed, 07 Oct 2009 06:44:24 +0000 http://hebridesweb.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/the-adam-lodge-enquiry/#comment-177 On a birth registration of John George Munns on 28th August, 1856, the previous issue listed by George John Munns, Wheelwright and Ann Munns formerly Boggs were George Saxby 14 yrs, William 10 years, Maria 9 years, Jane 7 years, Ellen 4 years and Emily 2 years. I turned this up in a hurreid look through the various files and letters that I have accumulated on the Munns family. It woiuld appear that Emily was a member of this family and born in 1854. On a birth registration of John George Munns on 28th August, 1856, the previous issue listed by George John Munns, Wheelwright and Ann Munns formerly Boggs were George Saxby 14 yrs, William 10 years, Maria 9 years, Jane 7 years, Ellen 4 years and Emily 2 years. I turned this up in a hurreid look through the various files and letters that I have accumulated on the Munns family. It woiuld appear that Emily was a member of this family and born in 1854.

]]> Comment on Ambrose and the Major by Mandy Waller http://hebridesweb.wordpress.com/2007/10/26/ambrose-and-the-major/#comment-176 Mandy Waller Mon, 05 Oct 2009 00:37:31 +0000 http://hebridesweb.wordpress.com/2007/10/26/ambrose-and-the-major/#comment-176 I am a ggggg granddaughter of Ambrose McGuiggan and would love to read the latest research by Peter and Pam. Is there any indication when this will be available? I am a ggggg granddaughter of Ambrose McGuiggan and would love to read the latest research by Peter and Pam. Is there any indication when this will be available?

]]> Comment on The ‘Adam Lodge’ by Graeme Lansdowne http://hebridesweb.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/the-adam-lodge-enquiry/#comment-175 Graeme Lansdowne Tue, 29 Sep 2009 03:26:53 +0000 http://hebridesweb.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/the-adam-lodge-enquiry/#comment-175 Brian, I am trying to track down information on Ellen Ann Munns who was born in Maitland in 1856. I believe that she may have been the daughter of George J Munns and Anne Boggs. I have found the marriage of George J Munns and Anne Bogg on the NSW BDM in 1841 and the marriage of Nancy Munn to Miller. I have details of two births for George Munns and Ann Munns in Maitland one for 1842 and another for 1856. Are you able to provide any information on any other children that may have been born to George and Anne Munns. Brian,

I am trying to track down information on Ellen Ann Munns who was born in Maitland in 1856. I believe that she may have been the daughter of George J Munns and Anne Boggs. I have found the marriage of George J Munns and Anne Bogg on the NSW BDM in 1841 and the marriage of Nancy Munn to Miller. I have details of two births for George Munns and Ann Munns in Maitland one for 1842 and another for 1856. Are you able to provide any information on any other children that may have been born to George and Anne Munns.

]]> Comment on Divided Race, Divided People by Don MacFarlane http://hebridesweb.wordpress.com/2009/03/14/divided-race-divided-people/#comment-174 Don MacFarlane Sat, 12 Sep 2009 13:38:26 +0000 http://hebridesweb.wordpress.com/?p=183#comment-174 John Smith had almost finished his training in Edinburgh University to become a medical doctor when he had to drop out after contracting pulmonary tuberculosis (consumption). His verse was written at a time he knew he had a virtual death sentence over him - although he did manage to live another seven years, only to die in Lewis at the young age of 33. His vision of 'a shroud and two strides of green earth' had become an only too real prospect for him. John Smith had almost finished his training in Edinburgh University to become a medical doctor when he had to drop out after contracting pulmonary tuberculosis (consumption). His verse was written at a time he knew he had a virtual death sentence over him – although he did manage to live another seven years, only to die in Lewis at the young age of 33. His vision of ‘a shroud and two strides of green earth’ had become an only too real prospect for him.

]]> Comment on The ‘Adam Lodge’ by Shylie Brown http://hebridesweb.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/the-adam-lodge-enquiry/#comment-171 Shylie Brown Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:59:36 +0000 http://hebridesweb.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/the-adam-lodge-enquiry/#comment-171 The information I found during my research is in the AONSW COD 394 and states that a new immigration program was set up by Governor Brisbane and then Governor Bourke to encourage tradesmen with families to immigrate as assisted immigrants with surgeons on the ships to select suitable immigrants. There is also a report on the arrival of the Adam Lodge with the James Barry.The report states that passengers were treated well by Captain Mayne and Surgeon Alick Osborne. Osborne was supposed to select immigrants but he broke his leg in Ireland and another surgeon was substituted. Migrants were of the status that when they arrived in Sydney they would find their own accommodation and work . Farm labourers with large families found this difficult.Ref.: Surgeon's Journal AJCP PRO Reel 3213. I have found my research on Rev. Allan mostly in Braidwood. An earlier article in the Sydney Morning herald dated 21/1/1842 wrote that the trustees of Mr Allan's church in Parramatta were summoned before the Moderator of Presbytery of Sydney to hand over the newly erected church. I know that my favourite man in Parramatta was one of the most active opponents of Allan but I lent my papers to a dear friend who has since died so that is that. But I am sure with a little research that the information would be found in the Ferguson Presbyterian Archives in Sydney. The information I found during my research is in the AONSW COD 394 and states that a new immigration program was set up by Governor Brisbane and then Governor Bourke to encourage tradesmen with families to immigrate as assisted immigrants with surgeons on the ships to select suitable immigrants. There is also a report on the arrival of the Adam Lodge with the James Barry.The report states that passengers were treated well by Captain Mayne and Surgeon Alick Osborne. Osborne was supposed to select immigrants but he broke his leg in Ireland and another surgeon was substituted. Migrants were of the status that when they arrived in Sydney they would find their own accommodation and work . Farm labourers with large families found this difficult.Ref.: Surgeon’s Journal AJCP PRO Reel 3213. I have found my research on Rev. Allan mostly in Braidwood. An earlier article in the Sydney Morning herald dated 21/1/1842 wrote that the trustees of Mr Allan’s church in Parramatta were summoned before the Moderator of Presbytery of Sydney to hand over the newly erected church. I know that my favourite man in Parramatta was one of the most active opponents of Allan but I lent my papers to a dear friend who has since died so that is that. But I am sure with a little research that the information would be found in the Ferguson Presbyterian Archives in Sydney.

]]> Comment on The ‘Adam Lodge’ by Brian Boggs http://hebridesweb.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/the-adam-lodge-enquiry/#comment-169 Brian Boggs Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:01:53 +0000 http://hebridesweb.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/the-adam-lodge-enquiry/#comment-169 Great to hear from you, Shylie. I must confess that the twin deaths story is wrong and I may be responsible for the fallacy. There was only one male that died in 1837 and his name was Robert. I think that there has been a transcription error into the death records and if you check, both deaths have exactly the same date of death. Also from off the Adam Lodge, there were only four males and five females. The males were Robert (16) William (10, Thomas (7) and Sam (5). Now I can only name four of the five females. They were Nancy (18), Isabella (14), Eliza (11), Rebecca (2) and one very frustrating unknown female. My latest research into this female led me on a chase after Catherine Boggs but she was not in this family (death certificate 1857). Now I know that this female died between 1837 and 1869 (John Boggs death certificate lists two males and two females dead and I know that one of those females was Isabella (1854) but I am still unsure if this unknown female married as the marriage of Eliza or Isabella is only listed in the Presbyterian Registers for Maitland. This leads me to believe that the unknown female married and the marriage is not listed in the BDM's. Her death cannot be found because we do not know her married name. The two male deaths indicate that one male died in Ireland before emigration since the number of children on the ship indicates this. I am interested in James Allen and I have just written a small piece on him for the chapter I am writing for Don MacFarlane's book. If you can, I would be most interested in the information that you have. One other question. I don't know if this is just rumour but I heard that you have a picture of John Boggs. Is this true? If so, I would dearly love a copy. I do have pictures on a number of William's children taken about 1890 which I am prepared to share if you are interested. I also have a picture of Annie Boggs (Adam Lodge Annie) taken about 1910 when she was obviously in a wheel chair. Another interesting internet site is the family tree of Rebecca Tuckey and you can get it by typing James Tuckey b 1836 Muswellbrook. If you have any questions, you can submit them to my internet site at Wkbkmaths@ozemail.com.au Great to hear from you, Shylie. I must confess that the twin deaths story is wrong and I may be responsible for the fallacy. There was only one male that died in 1837 and his name was Robert. I think that there has been a transcription error into the death records and if you check, both deaths have exactly the same date of death. Also from off the Adam Lodge, there were only four males and five females. The males were Robert (16) William (10, Thomas (7) and Sam (5). Now I can only name four of the five females. They were Nancy (18), Isabella (14), Eliza (11), Rebecca (2) and one very frustrating unknown female. My latest research into this female led me on a chase after Catherine Boggs but she was not in this family (death certificate 1857). Now I know that this female died between 1837 and 1869 (John Boggs death certificate lists two males and two females dead and I know that one of those females was Isabella (1854) but I am still unsure if this unknown female married as the marriage of Eliza or Isabella is only listed in the Presbyterian Registers for Maitland. This leads me to believe that the unknown female married and the marriage is not listed in the BDM’s. Her death cannot be found because we do not know her married name. The two male deaths indicate that one male died in Ireland before emigration since the number of children on the ship indicates this. I am interested in James Allen and I have just written a small piece on him for the chapter I am writing for Don MacFarlane’s book. If you can, I would be most interested in the information that you have. One other question. I don’t know if this is just rumour but I heard that you have a picture of John Boggs. Is this true? If so, I would dearly love a copy. I do have pictures on a number of William’s children taken about 1890 which I am prepared to share if you are interested. I also have a picture of Annie Boggs (Adam Lodge Annie) taken about 1910 when she was obviously in a wheel chair. Another interesting internet site is the family tree of Rebecca Tuckey and you can get it by typing James Tuckey b 1836 Muswellbrook. If you have any questions, you can submit them to my internet site at Wkbkmaths@ozemail.com.au

]]> Comment on The ‘Adam Lodge’ by Don MacFarlane http://hebridesweb.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/the-adam-lodge-enquiry/#comment-168 Don MacFarlane Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:43:39 +0000 http://hebridesweb.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/the-adam-lodge-enquiry/#comment-168 While uncovering the Boggs story, I also came across the amusing story of Aeneas Coffey, an excise inspector in Inishowen in Donegal, who brought about the ruination of the Irish whiskey trade - not through his taxes but because of his invention of a new type of whiskey still! http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg17523586.100-whisky-galore.html?page=1 While uncovering the Boggs story, I also came across the amusing story of Aeneas Coffey, an excise inspector in Inishowen in Donegal, who brought about the ruination of the Irish whiskey trade – not through his taxes but because of his invention of a new type of whiskey still!

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg17523586.100-whisky-galore.html?page=1

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